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  • SEO Factor » Blog Archive » » SEO Ignorance at PC Mag

    10 February 2009 6 Comments

    Looks like it’s that time of year again. Someone is attacking SEO, and as always, this someone has no idea what they are talking about. They are, again, basing their opinion on faulty logic and a poor experience.

    But today, we get to see something even more interesting. Not only did our subject have a bad experience, he had such without even getting scammed. Nope, this isn’t a case of someone getting ripped off, instead it’s a case of someone who has no business eating at the big boy’s SEO table, playing with URL structures on his site.

    So let’s talk about the ignorance of John Dvorak from PC Mag, and see where he went wrong.

    Let’s start with my biggest beef. This is one I implemented on my own blog and now regret: the long URL. One of my friends (an SEO maven) had suggested during an IM chat that I was losing a lot of page views on the blog because I wasn’t using long URLs. “What’s that?” I asked.

    I’m not sure who the hell suggested “long URLs,” but either Mr. Dvorak completely misunderstood what was being told to him, or he was talking to someone who didn’t know themselves (with reading some of his other stuff, my vote is on the prior, but I could be wrong).

    My blog had typical, efficient WordPress default URLs, such as http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3100 or some such thing. Now on my current blog, that particular URL—which used the simple story ID number to access the post—has been supposedly SEO-optimized behind this URL: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/10/20/hollywood-unions-want-cut-of-itunes-pie/.

    I ask you, what is more efficient and reader-friendly: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3100 or

    http://www.dvorak.org/hollywood-unions-want-cut-of-itunes-pie/

    Just because you don’t know what you’re doing, you kept dates in there.

    With the new long URL you get the date and the headline of the post. In some instances with a long headline it’s ridiculous. Besides, the second URL is cumbersome, long-winded, and impossible to type by hand. It is supposed to be search-engine friendly and more likely to get the attention of Google. Check out the fact that 90 percent of the blogs and major Web sites all use this supposed trick to get attention.

    It does nothing.

    Supposed trick? You just stated that “90% of the blogs and major websites” do this. So, what does that tell you? It’s not a trick, you just need to learn a thing or 2 about usability.

    Sigh. It seems like you were given a nugget of knowledge that you should probably take note of, but IM chat is not conducive to explaining the caveats and proper implementation of changing URL structure. It sounds like your friend was trying to get you to get more definition with your URLs (which would help) and you jumped at adding the dates (I have no idea why).

    This is apparent when you compare the numbers on my blog. In fact, my total page views actually declined when I implemented this stupid practice. At first I thought it was a seasonal anomaly until I had a chat with a developer who was pitching me some new product she was doing. The developer mentioned that she was just recently at Google and involved in the search-engine strategy team in some way. She said she knew about SEO. I mentioned this trick, the long URL, and I swear she almost laughed in my face. She told me the idea was bogus, period.

    So why is everyone doing it, and why does everyone think it works? I have stat packages on the blog and a million page views per month. I have enough traffic to see a difference when there is one. I had a run rate closing in on 1.2 million page views per month when I turned on this supposed SEO trick. Boom! I dropped to 900,000 instantly. It’s taken my site months to recover.

    Oh, I see now. Looks like our new dunce changed URLs without telling Google. When you make such a change, you need to properly plan and implement as according to what Google needs you to do. (perfect plug for Google Advises on Moving Your Domain).

    I think it’s because these long URLs are just crap and stupid. They are impossible to post anywhere or send in an e-mail because they get concatenated. You have to know to snip them with tinyURL or snurl. This stinks. I am going to turn them off and mock anyone using them and anyone who tells me to use them. And if you look around today, that means just about everyone!

    So a guy that writes for PC Mag is having a hard time pasting a URL into an email without it concatenating? What in the hell are you using for a client?

    Yeah they are crap and stupid (very professional, by the way). I would much rather share seo-factor.com/lkajsdnsdnf?=skdjf than seo-factor.com/dvorak-is-ignorant. When I see the first style in an email (assuming the people you email are anything like you) I’m not even going to click on it. I’ll be scared that the Interwebs will steal my credit card information.

    And before you start mocking anyone, please note that you were the guy that decided to make a major change in your site’s structure without any previous knowledge or experience; and you did so at the advice over an instant message.

    Moving on, you really have to read the rest of the post. He continues with a gross mis-use of the word “tags.” Apparently “tags” were used in the 90s to help rankings. That’s kinda true. But then he explains that he tagged categories of his own posts. Now it seems as if he’s talking about tags in the more recent form. It’s a little confusing, but makes for a good laugh.

    While you’re there, go ahead and leave a response. Be sure to tag it with the word “ignorance.”

    Look, let’s just wrap this up. I have a lot to do today.

    John, there’s a reason guys and gals like me charge a lot of money. It’s because some of this stuff is pretty tricky (I hear it’s also tricky to rock a rhyme), and if you haven’t the experience then you’ll end up in the same spot you always do. Sure, there are plenty of firms out there that do this stuff on the cheap, but they don’t actually know any more than you do.

    I admit very openly that SEO seems very mysterious at first. But if you spend some time getting into it, you’ll find the mystery fades and turns into “confusing and tedious.” That’s better than mysterious as you will soon see how real SEO is, and what it takes to be efficient and successful.

    Again, it’s expensive for a reason. If it were really so easy as to make a quick URL change (even a properly planned one) don’t you think everyone would be successful? There’s a playing field out here, John, and it isn’t level. It takes a lot of hard work and experience.

    Oh and hey, do something about those URLs on your blog, will ya? They are horrible.

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  • A Career In SEO? Good Move.

    I just read a post at All Things SEM called ‘A Career in SEO? Bad Move.’ Overall, the post was a warning to those that want to move into the world of SEO, defining the points that would make one want to flee. But, to be perfectly honest, all the points were very one-track. I would like to rebut all of them.

    Oh, before I get started, this isn’t an attack on Marios in any way. I just think that sometimes we need to step back before we make such bold statements, which he did in an earlier post.

    Want a Career in SEO? Awesome Move.

    1. SEO is Moving In House

    “This is the biggest threat to SEO consultants. As companies wise up to the need for SEO, they are also seriously considering handling all of the tasks in house.”

    Yup. Right now. Know what’s happening right now in Jacksonville? “Don’t get into real estate, it’s a buyers market.” I’m hearing this almost every day now (a lot of my freelance work is in the real estate area). Yup. Right now. But what about tomorrow? Tomorrow it will be another sellers market. That’s economy. Ups, downs, and a crap ton of almost predictable trends.

    Right now, there are a lot of companies moving in house, but that’s a trend I don’t think will be the end of the career freelancer. I have a number of peers that work in-house for a while, then leave. The reasons vary from not enough pay, to not enough resources, to not enough ears when it matters most.

    “Don’t believe me? Check out SEMPO’s recent “State of the Search Market 2006″ where it’s reported that almost two thirds of the companies survey plan to bring SEO in-house.”

    Of those companies mentioned in Marios’ post, I’m willing to bet the majority think that SEO is something that it simply isn’t. Our industry is still too new, and business owners have a lot to worry about other than the details of SEO (you know, like running a business). At no fault of their own, most companies just don’t understand the amount of support needed in order to make an online campaign successful. This is a trend like many others. Companies will later find themselves wanting to hire outside to save money, time, resources, or whatever the reason will be at that time.

    2. SEO is a Dead End

    “Some of you might think that being an in-house SEO is a good way to climb the corporate ladder, think again. The reality is that you’re going to have an incredibly hard time going anywhere.”

    O.K. Let’s think about this (and I already have. Thought about it, and lived it). You take the time to take an in house SEO position. You found one of those companies that will give you the support you need. You show success. The company grows. Know what happens when a company grows? The employee count follows. If you can play your part, you may even end up hiring another SEO yourself. Then you start heading SEO projects like company blogs, online marketing efforts (which will require you to hire more SEOs or SEMs), leaving you to lead them as the SEO manager.

    Moving up in a company when starting in SEO is like any other position. You have to show that there is a need for your advancement. If you’ve proven the need for SEO, have provided success (either by saving or making money for the company) you’re going to have a few ears when you start talking.

    3. R-E-S-P-E-C-T

    “You’ll get none. Ignoring the likes of Danny Sullivan who can command the attention of thousands, optimizers receive little regard to more established web professions (who I might add don’t get much regard either).”

    I’ve been in this game for just over three years (this makes me a newbie in the grand scheme). Still, there are companies who’s halls I can walk down and still get praise from anyone who happens to see me. There isn’t a month that goes by that a CEO wants me to join for a game of golf (and I can’t stand golf), a day on their boat (I tend to get sea sick), or some other event.

    “This lack of respect for the profession manifests itself in subtle ways. How? Your opinion about anything other than SEO will be ignored as if you have no insight on anything other than title tags…”

    I don’t do my job and go home at the end of the day. When I take on an SEO job, I excel. To these CEOs and company owners, I don’t optimize title tags, promote articles, build links, or any of that. I bring them money. That’s what they see. They couldn’t be happier with me, and I couldn’t ask for a more tuned ear.

    “…requests for hardware will be mysteriously held up by procurement until a hand-me down becomes available; and you’ll probably be tucked away in the bowels of corporate headquarters which is really just another signal that your efforts don’t require the kind of work environment conducive to thinking.”

    I’m writing this on my 21 inch flat panel monitor at my full time position. I’m comparing it repeatedly with the original post on the other one to make sure my thoughts are coming out like something more than a rant. My peers are setup the same way. My boss (yeah, he started in SEO and has moved up) has three 17’s. His Boss (he would be that sole SEO guy for this company, that followed that line of thinking I showed you a little earlier) has three 21’s. To be honest, when we ask for hardware or software around here, it’s to be nice. We don’t have to ask, we only have to order.

    4. SEO Could Become Obsolete

    “The search engines created the SEO market and they can also destroy it.”

    The search engines didn’t create this market. The need for marketing products and services created this market. SEO was around long before the search engines, it was just called something else. That something else isn’t obsolete, it has just changes. Now, I think we need to talk semantics. SEO IS obsolete. You can’t get away with optimizing the title tags and text, then call it a day. Nope, you have to build links. You can’t just optimize the title tags, the text, and build links. Nope, you need to reach out to your customers socially. You can’t just optimize the title tags, the text, build links, reach out socially…I hope you see where I’m going with this.

    SEO as a term has taken on a lot of different meanings. But in reality, it’s been dead for a while now. It’s SEM, or SMM, or whatever it is now. The point is, things change, the market changes, the successful adapt. We have been doing it all along, we just don’t always know it.

    5. No Barriers to Entry

    “Ignoring the silliness of whether SEO is rocket science or not, the reality is that anyone can eventually be good at SEO.”

    Anyone can be a a good SEO, only some are. Anyone can be a brain surgeon, only some are. Anyone can be a firefighter, only some are. Anyone can do anything, but only some do.

    “The result of having no barriers to entry are twofold. First, you end up having to compete with many, many people who say they do SEO, but don’t really have a good handle on the bigger picture. For example, copywriters oversimplify the process as having the right keyword density; designers figure having a blurb of text below their fancy Flash movies makes them SEO experts; and web developers conclude that since their code is elegantly written, the resulting web site will be search engine friendly.”

    Thinking and saying these things does not make them reality. When the copywriter or designer has been proven incorrect after a month or so, someone calls me.

    “Second, anyone just starting to get into SEO is likely to underbid someone that has been at it for 10 years. So how does the veteran distinguish himself from the newbie? It can be difficult because SEO best practices change and knowledge from 10 years ago may not be perceived to be valuable. So unless you don’t care about moving beyond your newbie salary, you better be prepared for a tough fight.”

    I can almost repeat my last statement. Company hires snake oil salesman that charges $89 a month, realizes the folly within a few months, and then calls me (or one of my peers). To be honest, I wish they didn’t have to go through this process. It’s really sad. But, as time goes on, we will be seen as needed.

    Wrap-Up
    You wanna be a lawyer? Bad Move. There are a ton of them out there. Some of them are bad lawyers. Hell, with the Internet, you can fill out a lot of the papers you need yourself anyway. There are even services that allow you a number of calls and contract write-ups per month for a flat fee.

    Wanna be a doctor? Bad Move. There are a ton of them out there. Some of them are bad doctors. Besides, I have WebMD.

    Wanna be an SEO? Come on over. It’s a lot of work, but it’s a fun ride. I’ve met some of the nicest and coolest people because of this industry. To be perfectly honest, I could turn this computer off, pick up my things, go home, and never return to this office. Because of this industry, I am afforded the things I couldn’t have if I finished school (oh wait…that’s a bad message). However, like other specialized fields, it’s not all fun and games. I am at an office for 9 hours a day, and I’m playing with my SEO all night (at least until I go blind). If you’re willing to work hard and play ethically, the rewards are pretty good.

    With this, and any other post, please read the disclaimer.

  • SEO Factor Blog

    November 6, 2006 So often I speak in first person. Not really known by the public, the SEO Factor team is actually more than just myself sitting in my underwear smashing away at the keyboard. So I wanted to shed some light on other members that make up this family, and give them a chance to let their voice be heard. First up is Alysson Fergison. Some background. I have spoken time and time again on the importance of content in the world of SEO. Most of the members of SEO Factor (myself included) couldn’t write a thank you letter, let alone good website copy. However, this is one of the most important factors in website design and SEO. We had a member of our team that was and continues to provide content and copy for our optimization projects, press releases, and articles. In taking hold of his dream, he has recently become the managing editor for a very prestigious entertainment magazine here in Jacksonville. Enter Alysson. She has written a few articles for us and our customers, and we will be working with her on honing her SEO knowledge. She has a lot to learn and big shoes to fill, but even more willingness to do so. So, without anymore of my rambling, here is a nice little writing about content and SEO by Alysson.

    What Your Designer May Not Know About SEO

    by Alysson Fergison The vast majority of website owners, and website designers for that matter, don’t understand the importance of search engine optimization or SEO. Many believe that having a gorgeous website is enough to generate traffic. Wrong! Crawlers can’t read images, so a website without text is like building a mansion at the bottom of the ocean. Many business owners would prefer a more cost-effective means of increasing their website’s ranking within search engine results. That means going back to basics: meta tags and text content. Flash sites are expensive and extremely popular. Animation, audio and streaming video are all very impressive to those who visit your website. The question of the day is: how do people find your website? If your hope is that they will find you in a Google or Yahoo! search, that won’t happen with a graphics-intensive Flash site. It may be absolutely beautiful, but it will not appear in a keyword-based search. That means only the people who already know your URL will be able to find your website. If you’re looking to promote your website, start by optimizing it for search engine friendliness. While the appearance of the website is certainly essential to converting prospects into paying customers, having a search engine friendly website is the single most important aspect of generating website traffic. What exactly does “search engine friendly” mean? Essentially it means that you have well-written, relevant text, and that the words in your website title and description meta tags appear properly on your page. Remember, in order to outrank your competition, we have to start with having a more relevant site than your competitors’. Provided that your meta tag information is correct and relevant, the more words you have within your site, the better your ranking potential will be in keyword searches. The title and description meta tags are the most important meta tags within your site. The title meta tag should include several of your keywords, but should not exceed 80 characters. The description meta tag should include every keyword in your title, as well as several more of your keywords as a summary of your site content and shouldn’t exceed 200 characters.

    If you’re looking to increase the traffic to your website and generate more revenue for your business, start with search engine optimization. Having the proper meta tag information and text content within your website is extremely cost effective. If you’re able to make the changes yourself, it will cost you nothing but time. Many website owners don’t want to invest a great deal of money in Internet advertising without first getting an idea of the potential business the website is capable of generating. Rather than investing hundreds, or even thousands, of dollars in advertising your website, start with making sure your existing website is optimized to be search engine friendly. Help your customers find you on the Internet as inexpensively as possible and decide later whether investing in additional Internet advertising, such as pay per clicks, is necessary.

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